Comments on: Dominion is another SWG:NGE….unless it doesn’t go live

By: Galen

Galen — Wed, 11 Nov 2009 02:25:10 +0000

Where you been mate?

By: EVE's WeekendWarrior

EVE's WeekendWarrior — Wed, 11 Nov 2009 02:04:06 +0000

Ah chaos!!!

I love it

By: Galen

Galen — Sat, 07 Nov 2009 19:59:58 +0000

With NGE, the discussion was more of everyone gathering information from outside sources rather than from SOE. We all learned about the changes that were coming from reliable sources before SOE would admit that they were changing the game to NGE. SOE would not have said anything unless we, the players, had not pressed them for information, they were outright hiding the truth and if you remember, they tried to say that the starter kit was an error on Amazon's part, that it was not a real product. Come November 15th of that year, we all learned that it was in fact the new SWG.

CCP is the opposite here, they released the dev blog, which disclosed what the changes were. They did this for the purpose of soliciting feedback. The comments that CCP Chronotis has made on the post you point out are a good indication that CCP is in fact listening.

I don't think that we are going to have an NGE event in EVE Online, not with Dominion. As the released dev blog stood, yes, it would have broken 0.0 and ultimately the game. They are changing the new sov system now. I think we will be okay. The tweaks are not enough, but they are much better than how it was. As the discussion continues, I think the devs and the players will come together to a set of features that will balance the game play in 0.0 space.

By: Casiella Truza

Casiella Truza — Sat, 07 Nov 2009 19:02:30 +0000

I do have confidence they will listen -- though with the NGE, I will point out we had a whole two weeks of "discussion" before it went live, and it basically went "you will play it and YOU WILL LIKE IT." And yeah, that was just after ToOW / Mustafar. I still played off and on for the next several years, but the game has withered on the vine since then. So in this case, CCP Chronotis has already started to list tweaks based on the feedback. I have confidence in CCP over the course of the process.

By: Galen

Galen — Sat, 07 Nov 2009 17:43:05 +0000

Indeed my friend. CCP was suppored to try to help people get into 0.0, not repopulate Empire space.

By: TheElitist

TheElitist — Sat, 07 Nov 2009 17:35:55 +0000

I've been playing EVE for 3 months now, never been to null-sec and never did PvP.

But they seem to have FUBARed the titans. and the new changes seem way too costly. Dominion should increase passive income and make it easier for small alliances to get 0.0sec space not make it more difficult.

By: Galen

Galen — Sat, 07 Nov 2009 17:20:43 +0000

I think people would rather live with the current system a while longer rather than have something that has yet to be fully tested as a production release should be.

By: Dante Edmundo

Dante Edmundo — Sat, 07 Nov 2009 16:58:22 +0000

I agree that CCP ought to put a delay on the release. Primarily to regain the trust that they are losing in bucket fulls right now with their players (at least in null-sec).

Regain player trust and then put out a better effort on the release. No one is going to be happy with the delay but heck it is better than the risk of an NGE release.

By: Galen

Galen — Sat, 07 Nov 2009 15:55:55 +0000

Don's misunderstand me, it's not an NGE event as in the facet of communication. SOE simply ignored all player inquires concerning the SWG Starer Kit when it was listed on Amazon and Best Buy's websites. They flat out told people that no change was coming and littearly the next day, NGE went live.

I am not referring to that part of the debacle as it is clear that CCP is reading the thread and communicating with players. I am referring to the sentiment of player's no longer wanting to play the game because of a change implementation that simply will not work and the potential (only at this point) of people leaving the game from such an implementation. That is the NGE Event result to which I was referring.

CCP Soundwave, like many other community managers, has a tough job and unfortunately he will sound like he is trolling when he is simply trying to respond to questions. The problem is the EVE forums are a venue that as you are well aware, will lack logic in arguments when logic is the actual answer. We are all conditioned at this point to react to any response that is not immediately clear as a troll post.

CCP Soundwave will continue to respond to questions because he is NOT trolling, he is trying to garner a discussion on the points presented and get useful feedback. The only way to do that is to respond and there will be responses that will be well received and others that will not.

We need to continue to discuss these changes as they were announced. We still have time before December 1 and I honestly believe that CCP is taking this discussion seriously. I don't see the changes that were originally listed in the dev blog going live. Why? Well, CCP has continually said that EVE is a sandbox and that things may change around launch. I must stress this, around launch includes during, after AND BEFORE the launch.

Let's wait and see how things unfold and continue to have this discussion.

By: Casiella Truza

Casiella Truza — Sat, 07 Nov 2009 15:07:30 +0000

The difference (from the perspective of another NGE vet ) is that the designers are engaging actively in the thread and talking about tweaks instead of saying "but you will love these EVE-y and iconic action changes"… CCP Soundwave seems to be wading through the crap to engage the useful criticisms and feedback.